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Old Nov 7, 17, 7:20 am #1171
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The lower ("less-interesting-of-a-daily-read-to-me") quality blogs have in the main only gotten worse over time as the programs became less valuable for consumers.

The massive devaluation hits customers have faced from the airline mileage programs in the US aren't due to the credit-card issuers and the blogs covering the credit-card issuers in the space. Those devaluations are caused by the US3 airline cartel kingpins and rooted in the USG-granted allowances given to the US3 airlines; and they've unleashed an infection that is undermining the value that consumers get from non-US airline mileage programs too.

Blaming bloggers and credit card issuers for the massive program devaluations is akin to putting the cart before the horse and punishing the cart for horse being a bad horse.
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Blaming bloggers and credit card issuers for the massive program devaluations is akin to putting the cart before the horse and punishing the cart for horse being a bad horse.
You have your hypothesis, I have mine. Unfortunately, there is no good methodological way of analyzing whether the growth of "churning" and pushing "Fly for freeeeee" on a larger audience, who mostly consisted of non-value customers, actually played a role in airlines' decision that the economic benefits of loyalty did not justify the cost of generous mileage programs.

As one article explained, "The purpose of a frequent-flier program is to build loyalty and retain customers who generate a lot of profits. Mileage runners aim to buy tickets with the lowest cost per mile and extract as many points as possible from them; this is not high-margin behavior the airlines want to encourage. And increasingly, they aren’t."


Unless you were involved in the decisionmaking of each program, you also have no basis for insisting how wrong I am.
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Old Nov 7, 17, 11:18 am #1173

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It's a sign of the times. As the airline "loyalty" programs become an even more extreme shell game to fleece consumers and have less and less value to provide their members, those covering these programs have less useful material to provide for their reading audience members.

I expect the quality and utility of the blogs in this space won't be making massive improvements in general as the blogs' historical market has less to gain from these programs than they used to have to gain.
True, it is getting to be more and more slim pickings in the loyalty world which is impacting everyone. Though Delta/Renes Points and TPOL have been poor quality from the start.
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Old Nov 7, 17, 1:00 pm #1174
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You have your hypothesis, I have mine. Unfortunately, there is no good methodological way of analyzing whether the growth of "churning" and pushing "Fly for freeeeee" on a larger audience, who mostly consisted of non-value customers, actually played a role in airlines' decision that the economic benefits of loyalty did not justify the cost of generous mileage programs.

As one article explained, "The purpose of a frequent-flier program is to build loyalty and retain customers who generate a lot of profits. Mileage runners aim to buy tickets with the lowest cost per mile and extract as many points as possible from them; this is not high-margin behavior the airlines want to encourage. And increasingly, they arenít."


Unless you were involved in the decisionmaking of each program, you also have no basis for insisting how wrong I am.
Bloggers and credit card issuers in the US3 airline program space arenít in the driverís seat for the massive devaluation decision-making of any of the US3 airline programs.
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True, although it might be close to a toss-up between TPOL and "Renes Points"
Touche. The latter I've fully repressed from my memory and consciousness.
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Bloggers and credit card issuers in the US3 airline program space arenít in the driverís seat for the massive devaluation decision-making of any of the US3 airline programs.
And given that those programs have been devaluing for 4 or 5 years and the number if garbage Boarding Area blogs has increased in that time, devaluation of loyalty programs isn't discouraging the proliferation of garbage blogs.

I look forward to reading your comprehensive, definitive volume based on all your detailed insight on what has motivated changes in loyalty programs. Until then, Im going to stick by my well reasoned hypothesis regardless of your criticism. Thanks xoxohth.
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Touche. The latter I've fully repressed from my memory and consciousness.
Sorry if I triggered any traumatic flashbacks!
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Old Nov 8, 17, 3:08 am #1178
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And given that those programs have been devaluing for 4 or 5 years and the number if garbage Boarding Area blogs has increased in that time, devaluation of loyalty programs isn't discouraging the proliferation of garbage blogs.

I look forward to reading your comprehensive, definitive volume based on all your detailed insight on what has motivated changes in loyalty programs. Until then, Im going to stick by my well reasoned hypothesis regardless of your criticism. Thanks xoxohth.
Why are all of your posts so damn smart!? Your answers are always so well reasoned and logical, almost in a formal sense. Itís impressive.

Iíd wager your LSAT score was killer
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Old Nov 8, 17, 3:11 am #1179
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Maybe. But maybe this has causation confused as it's not clear these garbage blogs ever had anything to do with high value mileage programs. Blogs proliferated because of the growth of credit card marketing profiteering, encouraged by people like Randy, with no relationship to the actual value of frequent flier programs. Quantity over quality, blogs by people who have never leftthe lower 48 except one time using miles from a credit card signup, etc.
The credit card marketing model and the blogs pushing it to the masses who will never be frequent fliers is a factor in the devaluation of mileage programs, not vice versa . Some bloggers have made a living off of selling credit cards and helped kill the benefits of frequent flying.
Alllll of this. Hard to say it better. Perhaps impossible.
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And given that those programs have been devaluing for 4 or 5 years and the number if garbage Boarding Area blogs has increased in that time, devaluation of loyalty programs isn't discouraging the proliferation of garbage blogs.

I look forward to reading your comprehensive, definitive volume based on all your detailed insight on what has motivated changes in loyalty programs. Until then, Im going to stick by my well reasoned hypothesis regardless of your criticism. Thanks xoxohth.
Blaming bloggers and credit card issuers for airline management's decisions to massively devalue an airline loyalty program is anything but an example of a well-reasoned hypothesis or conclusion.

The bloggers and credit card issuers in this space jumped into the cart for the trip led by a horse and horse-rider/jockey/driver that were leading the program devaluation show. The owners/managers of the airlines/airline programs are the party with ultimate responsibility for the massive program devaluations which have repeatedly hit consumers in the airline loyalty program space.

The US3 airlines' programs have been massively devalued in ways that bloggers and credit card issuers couldn't and didn't stop. And yet some want to scapegoat those coat-tail-/cart-riders for the actions of the bad horse/jockey. Go figure, but there doesn't seem to be anything well-reasoned about wanting to point the finger of blame for such massive devaluations at figures other than those most directly responsible for the massive program devaluations in the US.

Unsound and invalid hypotheses and conclusions don't impress me.

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Why are all of your posts so damn smart!? Your answers are always so well reasoned and logical, almost in a formal sense. Itís impressive.

Iíd wager your LSAT score was killer
Thanks. Let's say it got the job done.
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Blaming bloggers and credit card issuers for airline management's decisions to massively devalue an airline loyalty program is anything but an example of a well-reasoned hypothesis or conclusion.

The bloggers and credit card issuers in this space jumped into the cart for the trip led by a horse and horse-rider/jockey/driver that were leading the program devaluation show. The owners/managers of the airlines/airline programs are the party with ultimate responsibility for the massive program devaluations which have repeatedly hit consumers in the airline loyalty program space.

The US3 airlines' programs have been massively devalued in ways that bloggers and credit card issuers couldn't and didn't stop. And yet some want to scapegoat those coat-tail-/cart-riders for the actions of the bad horse/jockey. Go figure, but there doesn't seem to be anything well-reasoned about wanting to point the finger of blame for such massive devaluations at figures other than those most directly responsible for the massive program devaluations in the US.

Unsound and invalid hypotheses and conclusions don't impress me.
Cool. Now care to address the factual point that blogs have continued to grow though programs have been devaluing for at least 5 years?

I think it's possible to have competing hypotheses without being belittling and derisive. <shrug> So you're Brad Pitt....

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Cool. Now care to address the factual point that blogs have continued to grow though programs have been devaluing for at least 5 years?

I think it's possible to have competing hypotheses without being belittling and derisive. <shrug> So you're Brad Pitt....


The barriers to entry in the blogosphere are so low and the potential consumers for blogs and airline loyalty programs so numerous that blog growth taking place shouldn't be a surprise -- even for those blogs whose quality has declined over time.
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The barriers to entry in the blogosphere are so low and the potential consumers for blogs and airline loyalty programs so numerous that blog growth taking place shouldn't be a surprise -- even for those blogs whose quality has declined over time.
The potential consumers for airline loyalty programs is so big? But you said airlines are evil devaluers. You're not a consumer of an airline loyalty program if you buy some credit cards from Randy, Inc., and then come on here after your sign up bonus posts and are shocked that you cannot get 4 business class tickets to Hawaii for Christmas week even though <random deceptive Boarding Area credit card salesman> said you could travel for freeeeee.

Sounds like someone is blaming airlines for unscrupulous credit card marketers, House of Miles businessmen, and poor quality writing. Or something. I'm not sure if you're actually defending Boarding Area bloggers or just being disagreeable.

That don't impress me much. Hope your eyes don't get stuck in the back of your head.
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Old Nov 8, 17, 6:44 am #1185
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I'm not sure if you're actually defending Boarding Area bloggers or just being disagreeable.
Great that you’re not sure, as for me it’s simply neither of the above.
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